According to the Howard County Board of Elections, about 34,800 Howard County residents turned out to vote in Tuesday's primary election in which 15 candidates were vying for six slots in the Board of Education (BOE) General Election.
One of the most surprising results was that incumbent Allen Dyer did not make it to the next round.
By 8 a.m. Wednesday, the top vote-getters, with 97 percent of precincts reporting, were:
- (Incumbent) Janet Siddiqui: 38.96 percent
- Ann De Lacy: 27.94 percent
- (Incumbent) Ellen Flynn Giles: 25.28 percent
- Jackie Scott: 24.33 percent
- David Gertler: 24.2 percent
- Bob Ballinger: 20.7 percent
Dyer, who has sued the board several times over what he calls its lack of transparency, did not garner enough votes to make it to the ballot in November to vie for one of three BOE seats.
Adam R
10:07 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
This is not surprising I voted for others as well, Dyer was on a Board, and when he didn't get his way he tried to sue the Board. This is clearly not needed in public office and some people spoke up about it. (29000 voted) I am still disgusted about the turnout. If you don't vote you lose your right to bitch about Government, and certainly don't have any business spouting your views on any patch.
EL
11:28 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
It is interesting that two incumbents have made it through though. Lots of talk about the public not liking the board, wanting major change, etc. However when the votes come in Siddiqui (with the top percentage) and Giles (coming in third) are moving along. But who knows...maybe it is a conspiracy.
Angela S
11:35 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
They have the name recognition. So people who don't research are more likely to vote for them then someone else. Plus Siddiqui had a lot of signs out in prominent places. I saw at least three large signs in a 2 mile span on Route 40.
Columbia Watcher
3:00 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
They also were backed by the Ulman machine. Did you notice all the signs on commercial property for Siddiqui? She, and the sitting judges, were clearly the choice of the people with money. No conspiracy...just people voting with their wallets rather than with their heads.
bill bissenas
7:09 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Ulman and the sitting judges are lockstep in their socialist beliefs. They held fundraisers together, run in the same socialist circles. The same for Siddiqui. All of them are convinced that the government must have the primary role in your life. And they believe there are virtually no limits to the "good" government can do for you and to you. To these folks, your property does not belong to you; it belongs to the state, and you only hold it until the state comes to take what rightfully belongs to the collective.
Angela S
11:33 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
The results aren't surprising considering two incumbents and the three candidates endorsed by HCEA endorsed won. Having a group like HCEA behind the new candidates had to have helped. Once again, only one person I voted for made it to the next round. Unfortunately with two incumbents making it to round 2, it is likely that we will only get one new board member once November rolls around and we will have two more years of a dysfunctional board that can't get along.
Thomas Diller
3:18 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
So you're saying that the board was dysfunctional BEFORE Dyer was elected? 99% of the "dysfunction" was centered around Dyer!
Mom of a HCC College Student
8:28 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012
We just need to do our part to talk to everyone we know and tell them who NOT to vote for...
Ann Delacy
9:01 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Who did you support, Angela?
Strumdrummer
1:07 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Siddiqui and Giles have shown continuous commitment over the years, have fully earned & deserve another term. Dyer could not have been bounced out soon enough. His wacky ideas and misinformed opinion were the source of 99% of the conflict.
Momtogirls
2:03 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Angela I agree with you. What a lousy turnout. I think people don't do the research and then go with names they recognize. I can't believe with all of the infighting and complaining that two of the three incumbents made it this far. I also only saw one of the people I voted for made it through.
EL
5:22 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
I am not sure how you can know that the reason for the election results was either name recognition or wallet voting. had "your candidates" come through it would have been informed voting? Perhaps this is "the will of the people" and the system worked?
Doug Kornreich
7:02 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
My wife, Leslie Kornreich, was a candidate for the Board of Education, but she did not make it into the general election this time around. We spent countless days walking around Elkridge talking with residents, and there is near-uniform disapproval of how the current Board of Education treats those of us who live in Elkridge. Unfortunately, although people were free in venting their concerns to us, it was apparent that many of them did not cast ballots in either the early voting or on April 3. Given how low the turnout was countywide and how close the overall votes were -- a heavy voter turnout in Elkridge would have made the difference. They keep putting more and more people in Elkridge, but we have not taken advantage of our numbers.
People feel powerless about making change. Many expressed to us that they are so frustrated with the system that they just don't vote. Unfortunately that reaction perpetuates the county being run for the benefit of Ellicott City and River Hill, and to the detriment of those of us here in Elkridge. But the results of this election were far from the will of the people in Elkridge. But we need to come out and vote in order to change things.
Frank in Elkridge
10:02 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Low turnouts are an indication that people are content with the current conditions, not "powerless" or "frustrated". Most voters have no idea what is going on with the BOE, and as long as they are satisfied with the education that their children are getting they are not going spend a lot time thinking about it. You will see big voter turnouts when there is real "frustration" and discontent with schools and teachers, not just annoyances.
Paul D
7:54 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Wow, this has created a real beehive of activity. Doug (who posted in response to EL), I agree with you 100%. Although I respectfully differ with your wife Leslie on a minority of her viewpoints, I have a great amount of respect for her and I did get out and cast a vote for her for two reasons: 1) I have a great amount of respect for Leslie and agree with her on most issues [as stated above] and 2) we need to get Elkridge folks ON THE BOARD. As long as the majority of Elkridge remains silent and inactive, we will be easy targets for all the stuff that is coming our way (e.g. overcrowded schools, overdevelopment to increase the county tax base [tied to the aforementioned], the CSX freight yard...and more). Stand up and be heard or forever hold your peace Elkridge.
Harry Schwarz
11:16 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Most folks agree that the Board of Education was dysfunctional. Few agree on the cause. In fact, the group dynamic will change with the replacement of even one member of the Board. And from my perspective, all six remaining candidates bring real strengths and varying perspectives. May the County vote in droves in November.and may the best candidates win.
Mark
9:06 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
We can now watch to see how the BOE gets along with Dyer on his way out. Will he cause more hate and discontent before he is out of there?
Remember, only half of the board was up for re-election.
Paul Lemle
7:46 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Howard County's educators are proud of Ann DeLacy, David Gertler, and Jackie Scott! It is time for a change on the Board of Ed, and these are the right folks to make it happen.
Mike
9:20 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Paul Lemie,
You should clarify your statement to read that HCEA members are proud of those candidates you mentioned. Not all of the teachers in HCPSS support these candidates nor are they union members.
Paul Lemle
9:37 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Sorry, Mike! Only 90% of HCPSS teachers are members of the Howard County Education Association. We don't agree on everything, but we agreed on this--our government relations committee, our Board of Directors, and our Representative Council all worked very hard to make recommendations our 5,300 members could support. In November, I believe voters will see the wisdom of putting professional educators Like DeLacy, Gertler, and Scott on the Board to lead the innovation efforts of the next four years. It is time to replace textbooks with computers for every student, to scale standardized testing back in favor of individualized, student-centered approaches, and to consider efficiencies like year-round school and evening use of our high schools.
Ann Delacy
12:37 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
I wonder how many people know that HCPSS has contracts with over 60 for-profit bus companies who are not saving us money or adequately meeting our system's needs? I wonder if our citizens realize that we can use distance learning to provide the same courses at Mt. Hebron that are taught at Glenelg? Virginia Beach has used distance learning since 1998. Everything is a secret dark secret that is driven by doing well on standardized tests.
During my campaign, I met a number of parents of all races, cultures, and socioeconomic status who have chosen to send their children to private schools due to a like of trust in our public school system. These citizens are borrowing money or doing without because they lack confidence in HCPSS.
Although I will expect Dr. Foose to analyze all programs based on their impact on student achievement, I would especially like to see an independent audit of the Department of Professional Development, the Department of Human Resources, the Gifted and Talented Program and the Office of Special Education.
Something is not right in Kansas...did Dorothy say that?
Jack
10:04 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
"I wonder how many people know that HCPSS has contracts with over 60 for-profit bus companies who are not saving us money or adequately meeting our system's needs?"
Their employees are non union, no benefits and if they were the hcpss would not be able to get the children to school. See where I am going with this? No not unoinize their employees. We can actually hire better teachers for less money then the union demands.
"Sorry, Mike! Only 90%" It seems 90%is the magic number but according to the union rep at Howardpubliced, same guy, the hcea Board of Directors, and Representative Council chose the endorsements, not the teachers of Howard county. A good poll would be to ask the teachers how many towed the union line and how many made an educated choice?
The only thing I expect of Foose if she is hired is regurgitation of who ever is in her ear and her personal quality of life to improve greatly. Behind our back decisions like who the next superintendent is exacty what is wrong with our schools followed by the folks who support them and does nothing for the quality of education our children recieve.
Still we have to give DeLacy credit for being out here because the other 5 candidates lack the morals to face the public.
Mike
10:56 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Paul-
Thanks for helping me to make my point. Not all HCPSS teachers are in favor of these candidates, just the HCEA. If you asked the Howard county resident teachers who they voted for, if they voted, you would find a greater mix. That said, the HCEA machine will certainly work with Ulman and others to get your candidates elected. Congratulations. Whether it will be better for our kids remains to be seen. What can make it better is to ensure that there is a quality teacher in every classroom, and if HCEA was honest, that is not your highest priority.
Ann Delacy
11:22 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Mike: "That said, the HCEA machine will certainly work with Ulman and others to get your candidates elected. "
While Ken Ulman is a strong Jackie Scott supporter, he is definitely not assisting me. You are wrong on that one, Mike.
Jack
11:49 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
DeLacy,
You left out the majority of the children in the middle
H.R. Pufnstuf
5:43 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Ann- do you support school vouchers? Shouldn't parents who are concerned with the dysfunctiona board of Ed be able to opt out? Also, there is nothing wrong with earning a profit. Bashing "for profit" bus companies is stupid. No way could lazy government workers do as good a job for the same cost.
bill bissenas
8:54 am on Sunday, April 8, 2012
i.e., "innovation efforts" = higher taxes. Standby folks, the union is coming for your property, and as just confessed above, the union believes that Delacy, Gertler and Scott will be leading the effort to confiscate your property.
Mark
9:10 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
With new board members and a new superintendent, maybe they will clean house at Club 108 and get rid of so many cronies that are just sucking up budget dollars that should be going to the schools. There is way too much bureaucracy in the DOE. To many people with clothing and car allowances in their employment contracts, etc.
NK
11:52 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
Ann,
Sorry, I realize this is an old post but I just saw it. Hopefully you will see my reply.
I have to say I'm very skeptical about distance learning for anyone younger than college aged kids. I see that you mention that Virginia Beach uses it, but just because someone else is doing it, doesn't make it right. This is only my experience from being educated and seeing my kids being educated, but to me it's all about the personal interaction between the teacher and the student. The kid who already likes learning will succeed no matter how a course is taught, but for the rest of the kids who aren't thrilled by school (which, let's face it, is probably the majority) need that teacher there and supportive. That's just not going to happen via distance learning.
Fred
12:30 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
Amused,
I'm not going to speak for Ann, but distance learning can involve direct interactions between teachers and students even if they are in different schools; teachers can see the students, students can see the teacher and questions can be asked both ways. The technology is there - just not being used. The beauty of this kind of distance learning is that you could better equalize the educational opportunities among our high schools. For example, if there are not enough students at High School "A" that are qualified/interested in taking a particular GT course then, through distance learning, those interested students at School "A" could be "plugged into" the course being taught in real-time be a teacher at School "B". HCPSS is way behind the curve in this area. And I recall Allen Dyer proposing such a solution when the school inequities issue came up at a Board meeting; but of course the myopic Board Chair at the time failed to pick up on this important point and an opportunity for innovation was lost.
NK
3:51 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
Fred,
Those are good points in terms of interaction at the group level for curriculum related questions. What I was going for was more where a teacher has person-to-person interaction before, after, and during class. Maybe he or she notices that a kid is off for some reason or has something he or she would like to briefly chat on a personal level with the child. Not having the teacher there in person to do that is difficult or impossible. I know with my son it has helped tremendously when a teacher takes even a brief interest in how he's doing.
That said, as I think about your comments, distance learning would be better than not having the class at all, so there is an advantage there. Care would need to be taken to ensure that those who enrolled had a high enough maturity level to handle it.
Robert Rhodes
6:16 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Really, Ann, why just these 4 areas? Did they kiss your ring as Union Queen? Better watch out, or they'll drop a house on you!
Ann Delacy
12:04 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
I was proud to represent the hard working employees of HCPSS and proud to serve as a 33 year teacher at Waterloo MS, Owen Brown MS, and Mt. Hebron HS.
Robert, why should I be ashamed of a career in public service? Why should anyone want to drop a house on me?
Ann Delacy
11:17 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Robert, I selected the four departments because they have a great impact on student achievement. Human Resources hires and promotes, Professional Development designs and implements the training, Gifted and Talented ensures that children with unique abilities reach their highest potential, and Special Education (which can include GT) insures that children with specific needs are duly served. These departments have a huge budgetary impact and we really don't know the metrics used to assess their effectiveness.
Jack
11:51 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
DeLacy,
You left out the majority of the children in the middle. The same majority who leave our schools unprepared.
Adam R
6:43 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
There are a few things I have a problem with HCPS, but none have ever made me think of pulling my Sophomore from Howard High School. Ann I think you might be referring to Baltimore County where many parents regularly pull their kids out at a cost of $4,000 a year or more in addition to the taxes they still must pay.
Jack
10:08 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Perhaps it is the large number of unsuspecting parents who are mislead by the hcpss and move here from Baltimore and other areas trying to buy a public education only to find they must hire tutors which is a subsidy for Howard county's test scores.
edb
8:20 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
@ Adam....I have 2 in elementary school and am constantly on the verge of pulling them out of HCPS. 3rd grade when they start teaching to the test is where the problems (especially math) start to happen. For our family it works to take our kids to Math tutoring. I have also considered a writing tutor for both periodically. If you have a Sophomore in HS, you may want to self test their math skills to see if they can divide, multiply, calculate fractions, percents, and decimals......you may get a surprise...!!! Private schools are expensive, so many parents supplement the public education with Mathnasium, Kumon, Sylvan, Huntington and private tutors. It's the dirty little secret in HoCo. Go to any of these places and they are filled with kids whose parents have figured out the system.
Concerned Elkridgean
7:38 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Howard county is a joke. The last supertindent did not allow the HCPSS employees concerns to the board according to Joel Galihue who runs the numbers as far as projection of students! Now we have a shortage of schools in Northeast part of the county. The salaries are overinflated for a lot of the staff in education. According to Howard County, our new supertindent is costing us taxpayers $275,000 in a recession. Since when does the Supertindent and others get such a high rate of pay. I would like to know how many of you make this kind of money! Ken Ulman county executive -160,000 and Jim Irvin head of public works -$175,000. It's seems our county is top heavy!! It is not only the board that lacks transparency...it's the whole govt. I think pensions responsibilty should come to the counties. I am not sure how the pension system works , but county would have to take into consideration, how much the pension of these jobs when looking how much people make!
Frank in Elkridge
9:56 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
I am a concerned Elkridge resident too. As much as I agree with the spirit of your message, I can't agree that Howard County is a "joke". The pay of the public executives is, in fact, right in line with, or lower than, other counties and agencies that have similar cost of living. Competitive salaries need to be paid to attract quality executives. Would you rather live in PG or Baltimore County where superintendents and executives get paid even more?
Elizabeth Janney
9:13 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
We've deleted a comment that was an attack on another user including obscenity. Please stay on topic, which is the Board of Education race. If you have questions about what is acceptable for a comment, check out our terms of use: http://elkridge.patch.com/terms
Jack
10:46 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Frank, perhaps the whole country has a problem and we just happen to live where the money is.
Adam R
11:04 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
@EDB, we are fortunate that our child was in the top 95% for the PSATs for Verbal and 90% for Math. One thing that stands out: she is and always has been a reader. Perhaps your kids are sitting in front of the boob tube too much. HCPS gave her a great place to grow and learn, and she is thriving for it.
edb
4:10 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
@ADAM...both of my children are at the top of their classes in elem. school. Their reading and math scores are above level for their grades and both are in GT classes thanks to my catching what ISN"T being taught in the classroom. I am shocked that they no longer teach division (only the bucket method), multiplication(the trellis method), fractions(1-2 weeks to master the skill?), decimals, and percents. My children don't have too much time to sit in front of the boob tube since I have to cart them around to be schooled outside of the classroom. All the parents sitting around with me are just as astounded at the lack of basics being taught in the classroom in lieu of material that will help these kids "master" the test. It is a sin that 9th and 10th graders taking Algebra wind up in math tutoring because they don't know how to use basic mathematic skills that should have been taught in elementary school.
Jack
11:19 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Adam.
Half of all the children in Howard county need remedial ed befor college so how did they graduate? The vast majority, about 65% or higher of our children drop out of college and have no job skills. You are fortunate, maybe.
Adam R
11:37 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
You may want to back up your stats Jacko. Half need remedial ed to get to college? I think not! As far as the college drop out rate being so high it is because we are pushing all our kids to go to college when many should have gone to a trade school or some vocational tech. They go to college and realize they made the wrong choice so they change there path. The schools do a lousy job of not identifying these kids in High School. This is because the guidance for the teenagers has not been considered as important as learning Shakespeare.
Jack
11:47 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Call the hcpss and ask them how many need remedial ed and not just the ones who go to HCC of which 50% need remedial ed in math but all our graduates in all subjects.
As to vocational or trade, This is not a dumping ground for our poorly educated. These children need skills or we can't teach them either. Same problem colleges are having, they need remedial ed to learn a trade.
Mark
9:24 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
@Jack, can you list a resource for your assertion? I know that with my two kids, they were far ahead of others when they were mixed with those from other parts of the country. To say that half need remedial ed is just not true.
As for the 65% dropping out of college, that is no different than anyplace else. I think Howard County Schools does a disservice to the kids in pushing ALL of them to go to a four-year college, rather than community college, vocational schools or the military. Many are not cut out for college or to go away from home yet. HCPSS is more concerned with the schools' ratings with colleges than actually having the kids prepared for the real world. We need plumbers, electricians, mechanics and military people. But Howard County ignores that fact. Our kids have to go to Baltimore or AA counties to get vocational training.
Jack
11:22 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
I cross posted this from Howardpubliced. If you want to discuss education there is Patch and Howardpubliced a yahoo group
As far as I know, the worst started with the 1989 NCTM standards. They
downplayed pencil and paper arithmetic. This was before standards were written,
so when standards were written, this was the blueprint. These standards were
the baseline for NSF supported material development that created the crappy math
programs. See
http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/
particularly,
http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/nsf.html
and
http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/bshm.html
Jack
11:38 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
"While Ken Ulman is a strong Jackie Scott supporter"
Does this explain her silence on appointed vs. elected?
If so she does not deserve a single vote
Adam R
11:56 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
These refreshers are not new Jack, I took an Algebra class at UM in 1982 as a Freshman because the last time I took that math was 4 years earlier. This is quite common especially in Math. You want to call them remedial go ahead, most kids take the math they need to graduate HS not the math they need to graduate college.
Jack
12:49 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
They now take Algebra/data analysis which is only 40% of the Algebra class you took in the 70's. Algebra/data analysis is in line with the MSA/HSA. They are taught to the test.
The other point is while you are correct there is no vocational except for those who can test into it as opposed to those who choose this as a career path the goal of our education system is to send all these children to college. 90% go to college touts the hcpss as though this is an accomplishment.
What we have overlooked is the large number of parents who subsidize the system with private tutoring. Wealth plays a huge role in whether these children succeed. The implications are those who can afford a quality education succeed in college while those less fortunate become laborers is to embrace a caste system.
There are a lot of sides here as we all are different but the bottom line is the welfare of our children who will grow up, marry each other, become neighbors, friends and co workers. Fine Americans. Seems once we all set aside our diferences we find what matters the most is what we all have in common.
Adam R
10:41 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Where are these large number of people subsidizing their kids education? I know of none. If there are it sounds to me some parents might be trying to push their kids up and through the system when in fact they might be average. You need to push your blame game to the Corporations. Yes public education teaches to those but its up to every child to prove they are worthy of an Oxford Education, not their parents.
All children in Howard County have that chance if they want so you can shove that caste of yours right in the basement.
Jack
11:08 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Adam,
All children in Howard county have what chance? To be what they are and their parents supply them with? According to your point the system can blame the child for not learning and they do. I don't believe you understand all the issues in our schools and as a parent of 8 with 20 years here in Howard county, my honest advice is to look further into what is going on and disregard the illusion Howard county touts of how great our school are. I could sit here for weeks and discuss the problems with you. Want to know what is going on go to Howardpubliced, it is a yahoo group. You can join or read the archives and posts. I gaurantee you will be shocked,
Mark
9:31 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
I will say, that our son did two years at Atholton and two years at River Hill. There was a huge attitude difference with the teachers. I will attribute this to the different principals. Atholton's was fantastic and RH's left a lot to be desired. Atholton teachers worked hard with kid's having difficulties and RH teachers' attitude was, "get him a tutor".
Mark
9:33 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
@Jack, you have quite a reputation for outrageous remarks on Howardpubliced. You seem to always have a criticism and an answer to everything. Maybe YOU should have run for board since you have all the answers.
Paul Lemle
1:36 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Mike, we are ABSOLUTELY in favor of having a quality educator in every classroom and in every other position in the schools. Teacher quality is the most critical variable in student achievement. As a matter of fact, we would support the more rigorous peer assistance and review model from Montgomery County if it were brought here. (See: http://video.foxnews.com/v/1547471675001/teachers-union-gets-tough-on-teachers/) And I don't mind at all helping you make your point--HCEA is not a machine or a monolith, and has great diversity of opinion among members and non-members alike. As Ann correctly pointed out, the democratic establishment is not on our side here. I can't speak for Mr. Ulman, but the two remaining incumbents have partisan support that our recommended candidates (Ann DeLacy, David Gertler, and Jackie Scott) are not likely to enjoy.
Jack
1:55 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
How can any American anywhere support Scott with her silence on appointed vs. ellected? Was she Ullman's choice to be appointed to the BOE? She does not deserve a single vote anywhere and the hcea shgould be ashamed of her candidacy.
Gertler? I don't hear him out here either. I f a candidate can not speak for themselves then they are not worthy of our consideration.
That leaves the seperation of the Union and The Democratic Party? This is odd.
All of this does absolutely nothing for all our children
Fred
2:53 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Paul, do you have any data to support your assertion that "teacher quality is the most critical variable in student achievement"?
Corey Andrews
6:50 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Jack,
They are "out here." They attended every single forum, and they make themselves very available to the public. If you had attended even one of the forums, you would have had the opportunity to ask these questions. They will answer every question you give them.
Maybe your version of "out here" is ranting on the comment section of blogs and Howardpubliced. Board candidates have no obligation to comment on blog comment sections. I doubt she has even seen your question of "appointed vs elected."
If you really care, you could have given them a phone call. Their numbers are public info. You could have also emailed them.
They're not my choice for candidates, but I will not allow you to attack them as though they are ignoring you.
Mike
10:50 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Paul,
You are correct, researchers tend to agree that the quality of the teacher in the classroom is the most critical element impacting student learning, but that was not on the list of items you were hoping to change (above). When was the last time that HCEA was helpful in removing a poor teacher from the classroom? Are data available to show that you are moving in a manner similar to MCPS? If Ms. Delacey and others you supported came out in favor of this, they would be guaranteed election to the Board or any other office they sought. Might they be so bold?
Jack
11:15 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Mike,
Want a good look at what goes on in Montgomery county and what they are really doing? Go to Parents_Coalition of Montgomery county and ask what they are doing to remove poor teachers. Since we are all Maryland state schools we have very similar problems.
bill bissenas
8:44 am on Sunday, April 8, 2012
"Teacher quality" is a union dog whistle for higher education spending. Accountability and metrics are the key to better education, not more spending. The union will ceaselessly present the "teacher quality" strawman as if it were a given. But hiring "average" teachers and holding them accountable is likely to produce the same or better results, and cost a lot less.
Mark
9:37 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
Personally, I think getting rid of tenure would do more to increase teacher quality than just about anything else. Human nature is human nature. If you know you can't be fired (without and act of congress) its only natural to not bust your butt all the time. Nowhere else do workers have tenure. It you don't perform, its adios amigos!
Paul Lemle
2:55 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Jack,
Please take this as literally as possible--I'm not being sarcastic or attacking you. I know you'll ask if I speak for Ms. Scott and Mr. Gertler, so I'll simply say at the outset that I do not. I just wonder what difference the question of appointed vs. elected BOE matters at this point. Any speculation about who might have been appointed has limited value, because we never got close to it. You know very well HCEA's position on the issue--we were, of course, against the idea. That brings us to today. There are six remaining candidates for BOE, all of whom are quite public in the physical forums and campaign events. However, you seem fixated on the idea that you'll be able to draw these two out online, and that their "silence," which I'd guess is actually that they aren't reading the comments sections of blogs and such, somehow means they were OK with the idea of appointments. Again, this is a serious question: besides throwing their names in and running for public office, what greater proof could they possibly give you that they support elections as opposed to the alternatives?
Finally, we remain quite proud of our candidates and their campaigns. You should take another look at them--and specifically at their actions/accomplishments. Ms. Scott, for instance, got a law degree from Georgetown and teaches about health policy there. I think it does something great for our students to have very high educational achievers/professionals on the BOE.
Jack
3:22 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Silence means silence as in none of these people have been out here, anywhere speaking out for the children. Including you there are but a few months between you of publicly speaking for the children.
The issue of appointed vs. ellected and Scotts silence are very serious. Siddiqui was appointed to the BOE. Scotts silence durring this speaks volumesand her support by Ullman speaks volumes. Your support is an insult.
Education has nothing to do with leadership
Paul Lemle
3:03 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Fred, absolutely--it (teacher quality and student achievement) is well researched. I should add that both ends of the political spectrum agree about it, but differ tremendously on what to do about it. The work of Eric Hanushek, the economist from Stanford, is perhaps the most provocative on the subject. He says that replacing the bottom 5-8% of teachers with an average one would be worth $100 trillion. (No, I'm not making that up: http://www.nber.org/papers/w16606.pdf, and he's a favorite of conservatives). A teacher one standard deviation above the norm can mean $400,000 of additional earning potential for each student he/she teaches.
Jack
3:16 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
We could easily replace our bottom 10% and desperately need our best to attempt to retrain and salvage the rest . The real problem is the system, all of it was paid for inferior work and silent while they performed it. Our curriculum is so wattered down at this point and the system chose to teach to the test to the point we could replace all of our teachers with college graduates for far less and put teams of 2 in each class room.
bill bissenas
8:37 am on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Jack, great point. Quality education has very little to do with money and a lot to do with meaningful metrics and accountability. But the union and its surrogates will never accept those truths. Why? Because doing so would cede power, and in their minds, that's simply unacceptable. As seen on this board, the discussion from the union and its supporters point to a need for higher education spending. And yet, the Howard County already massively spends on education, particularly non-classroom overhead. And frankly, there's little that can be done in the short term to change that situation as the politicians in power are supported by the union and those same politicians support the union.
Leslie Kornreich
1:19 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Then how, Paul, do we get rid of an ineffective teacher? How, when the principal does not (or says he/she does not) have the power to fire a teacher that has stacked up a file full of complaints? I think that HCEA should be at the forefront of this, and finding a solution for it. The ineffective teacher should not go back into the teaching pool to be inflicted on some other unsuspecting school -- he or she should be let go because he or she is not teaching students effectively. How do we make that happen here?
Ann Delacy
4:05 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Leslie, Peer Assistance And Review (PAR) has been used to evaluate teachers, administrator, and support staff for decades in Columbus, Ohio and for more than a decade in Montgomery County, Maryland. Google it.
Isn't it time we expanded the conversation of accountability to supervisors, Directors and superintendents? How are they evaluated and who decides that a Depty Superintendent should receive a nearly $700 per month auto stipend?
Leslie, as a former teacher, you are aware of the lack of influence teachers and support staff have in the decision-making process. It wasn't the teachers who decided to take reading as a stand alone subject out of the middle school curriculum.
Fred
10:50 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
Paul, thanks for the reference; however, it does not provide one piece of evidence to support your earlier assertion that "teacher quality is the most critical variable in student achievement". It does provide economic data on the cost of poor teachers and I support that analysis. Based on years of research directly relevant to this issue, it is likely that parents/home environment is the most critical variable in student achievement. This was/is the premise for Head Start-like programs and early intervention to prepare children to learn in school. The problem is that these programs cannot sustain the early gains they demonstrate because, like it or not, children go home to the same parents and the same home environment. And if , for whatever reason, these parents are unable to provide the educationally supportive environment that many/most affluent homes enjoy, then these gains are lost. What many affluent (i.e. educated) parents do is reinforce what was learned in school or, in many instances, teach their children what an incompetent teacher was unable to teach. When this is high school, that means teaching your children algebra, geometry, trig, chemistry, etc., subjects that many uneducated parents are unlikely to be able to provide this level of support.
Ann Delacy
11:49 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
Fred: "Based on years of research directly relevant to this issue, it is likely that parents/home environment is the most critical variable in student achievement. This was/is the premise for Head Start-like programs and early intervention to prepare children to learn in school."
I agree with you, Fred. The entire "reform" theories based on the teacher being the most crucial factor in a student's life has lead to wrong-headed initiatives such as Race-to-the-Top, Teach for America and head-scratching to compute the value-added component of having a particular teacher.
Universal pre-kindergarten for all children, irrespective of income, will do more to ensure that all children are ready by five than Head Start-like programs. My granddaughter, Lilly, was able to participate in such a program in Charles County and benefited by being in a stable, safe, learning-rich environment filled with nurturing adults. As a result, my daughter was able to work additional hours and become actively involved in the Parent Teacher Organization (different from the PTA).
Parents not wishing to have their children participate could always opt-out. Age three would be, in my opinion, a good time to begin pre-kindergarten.
LisaBMrsS
11:56 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
Paul & Ann, can you talk about the obstacles to bringing a Peer Assistance & Review system to HCPSS?
Ann Delacy
12:13 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
Lisa, the major obstruction I encountered in even discussing PAR in HCPSS was Dr. Sydney Cousin. We are fortunate that Dr. Foose, having spent years in Montgomery County, is a strong proponent of PAR. It is expensive program but we could easily repurpose (a Leslie K. word) our staff and resources to make it happen. HCPSS has been resistant to change beyond the status quo and has been reluctant to involve stakeholder groups in real decision-making.
If I am elected to the BOE, I will add my extensive education expertise to a group who unfortunately lacks the background knowledge.
Jack
7:30 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Mr. Andrews,
You sir have been out here for 2 years and will probably be the rest of your life. This is good.
I do not believe anyone is ignoring me. Scott was from the beginning aware of appointed vs. ellected and remained silent. Continues to remain silent and is defended by the hcea rep for her silence. There will be more debates and the question to Scott on appointed vs. ellected will be asked everywhere repeatedly. The answer is irrelevant because her actions from the begining were silence. Silence in hope of. Elections were her second choice and she does not deserve a single vote. No where publicly did she state a position when Ullmann attempted to strip the public of our voice.
Brook Hubbard
10:31 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
You seem to be making assumptions based solely on your own experience, Jack. I cannot tell you anything about Ms. Scott; she did not answer my questions, said she would like to meet in person or talk on the phone, and then did neither.
Mr. Gertler, on the other hand, not only reached out but met me in person. He had a very long conversation with me and my daughter on his own time. I support him 100% in his bid for office, not only because he personally met with me but because I agreed with him on every stance.
Note: He has made it known, both in person and through several posts, that he was against appointment and districts; he believes in keeping the elections as-is.
Although you have the right to your own opinions, be careful not to pass judgment just because ~you~ did not get the attention ~you~ think you should have had. Try asking others if they have had a chance to meet with a candidate or checking places that collect their information.
Elizabeth Janney
11:16 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
In response to the question about David Gertler's public appearances, I wanted to note that he was at the Greater Elkridge Community Association's candidate forum on March 28. See video of candidates who are moving on to the general election here: http://youtu.be/nZPV4kaYSgU Gertler is featured at the 1:50 mark.
Jack
11:39 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
What has Gertler to do with Scott? Absolutely nothing beyond the opinion of the hcea rep as far as I know. I think Gertler is in general a fairly decent guy however I believe his knowledge would better serve the hcpss designing and discussing technology with a group of like minded individuals and the public with the goal of emplmentation. I don't see the qualities we need to lead the system. He ran 2 years ago and has been virtually obscure until the elections. Raising a child is never ending, serving the children of Howard county requires even more effort.
That said, we just lost some good candidates and now you can choose between the status quo and the union. Same people
As to Scott go to the begining
http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/howard/news/ph-ho-cf-ulman-forum-0728-20110725,0,3267486,full.story
Brook Hubbard
7:40 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
I mentioned Gertler because you made the following blanket statement:
"Gertler? I don't hear him out here either. I f a candidate can not speak for themselves then they are not worthy of our consideration."
That statement was made in the same post where you discussed Scott and appeared to equate the two because of their "silence". Gertler ~has~ spoken for himself and has been heard "out there". The only place I don't see him talk are the two opinion websites you seem to frequent, which there's nothing wrong with. If I were running for anything I'd have little to do with the comments section of a blog site and a YahooGroup.
Jack
10:49 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Brook,
Since I can be found at many, many sites and see Gertler virtually nowhere perhaps you can post all the places he is and what he has said. The only thing I see out here is the hcea union rep making a case for him.
Howardpubliced, the yahoo group you refer to has among its members more then half the current BOE members and candidates for BOE as well as many people in the system and community. Thousands of people read it and is used as a source throughout the country.
Most people running are everywhere they can posibly be trying to get their message out unless their message is party or group endorsed.
Corey Andrews
9:21 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Jack,
Board candidates do not scour the internet looking for comments. Public means in person. If you want to talk to him, take the effort to call him. You could have taken the effort to come out to one of the forums. You did not.
Stop acting as though he is ignoring you because he is not commenting on the Patch or at Howardpubliced. You keep saying "they are not out here." They ARE "out here." They are at public forums, they door-knock, and they take phone calls and emails. You assume that because they are not a member of Howardpubliced, they are ignoring you. Going to a now obscure yahoogroup is not "coming out here" to comment.
Mark
9:44 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
Jack prefers to sit behind his computer monitor and attack those that are really out there trying to make a difference, union or not. He doesn't have the stones to physically show up at a meeting present his opinions.
Adam R
11:13 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Oh Jack, I am shocked a parent of 8 would have your kind of time to be on this site Blowing Smoke at People all damn day. Its a beautiful Saturday I for one am going to enjoy it! As for you just like Owen Meany said go crawl back under that rock of yours!
Jack
11:40 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Enjoy your day and don't give any consideration to what you have been told. Don't even question what is going on.
OWEN MEANY
2:19 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
WACKO JACKO, ARE YOU SAYING YOU WENT OUT IN PUBLIC? AARE YOU CLAIMING THERE IS AN "US" WITH YOU AND THE THURGOOD MARSHALL DEMOCRATIC CLUB? YOU ARE TIGHT WITH THE PERSON YOU CALL "DELACY" AS IF SHE DOES NOT HAVE A FIRST NAME? I THINK WE HAVE A NEW SUPERHERO. WACKO JACKO THE CYBER ANTI DISCRIMINATION CRUSADER. NO, I AM NOT BUYING. BUT I AM READING YOUR POSTS. MY, HOW PROLIFIC YOU ARE. DO YOU WORK, OR DO YOU GET DRUNK ALL DAY AS YOU SCOUR THE WORLD WIDE WEB IN SEARCH OF PROOF THERE ARE ALIENS IN AREA 51 AND HCPSS IS A SHAM? YOUR WRITING DOES GET WORSE AS THE DAY GOES ON.
Jack
3:32 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Owen,
I am glad to see enjoying your day included joining Howardpubliced. Now instead of trying to attack me for an incident years ago where the hcpss endangered the life of one of my children you can join the discussion which is currently inovations in the school system and how to improve it started by the hcea rep or you can start a discussion of your own. If you really have an interest I will give you a list of education groups all over the country who are discussing the same issues,
bill bissenas
8:22 am on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Jack, keep up the fight and don't get discouraged. When lefties/statists start disparaging you, then you know you're hitting close to the truth. Keep exposing them.
bill bissenas
8:16 am on Sunday, April 8, 2012
The union is about to seize control of the Board of Education in November. And once they do that, their representatives on the Board will push for higher spending to solve the "problems" with the school system. They have no intention of innovating through charter schools, vouchers, or privatization. Why would they as such advocacy would only lessen the union's power. And through higher spending, your already astronomical taxes will only increase. How much longer are you going to take this Howard County?
Paul Lemle
11:10 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
I'm too tired to fight all you nuts. Bill, we're not leftists, statists, or any other -ists. We're educators. Even if we got every one of our recommended candidates elected, we wouldn't be in control of them or the school board. You are right--we're not interested in charters, vouchers, or privatization. We are VERY interested, however, in accountability. Owen, Jack isn't a racist to my knowledge, though he is a little crazy about Jackie Scott and Ken Ulman.
Leslie, I'm going to move the discussion about effective teaching over to howardpubliced because it's a wee bit less hostile. I think. The long and short of it: in HCPSS last year, 22 teachers and zero principals earned an unsatisfactory evaluation. The union doesn't do evaluation--the administration does. The evaluation system needs an overhaul, and we are willing to be a part of it. Anybody who's not a believer, I'll go on record right now as supporting the peer assistance and review model discussed in the Fox News clip above.
bill bissenas
7:24 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
If the BOE candidates that the union supports don't intend to follow the union's goals, then why would the union support these individuals?
"You are right--we're not interested in charters, vouchers, or privatization."
QED
I accurately predicted the union's position in this matter and yet it is my sanity that is called into question. Orwell indeed lives.
This is the nature of the left, to marginalize any opposition to their agenda, an agenda that will ultimately fail to produce the desired results because they don't understand the problem, and they won't accept innovative solutions to fix the problem because it endangers their power. And so, the schools will roll along with the same problems. It's sad because many children will suffer as a result of the failed policies of the union and its adherents. It doesn't have to be this way.
JustABill
10:39 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
Everyone is yammering back and forth about one thing or another as if it is going to some how change the results of the Primary Election. What we need to do now is focus on the candidates we are left with and do everything possible to properly vet them on their qualifications, their vision for the immediate and distant future of Howard County Public Schools, and their past and present actions in the community as well as their workplace.
I could never vote for Ms. De Lacey, the former president of the HCEA, because of my own personal observations of how she conducted herself at polling places on election day over the years and also because she is, was, and always will be UNION FIRST! I also cannot vote for Ellen Flynn Giles, who I have voted for in the past and Janet Siddiqui, because of their votes reducing literature education in middle schools when it is quite possibly most needed in a student's development. David Gertler will not get my vote simply because he or his campaign volunteers have no problem breaking the laws regarding campaign sign placement so how can I trust him to follow the law in other areas as well. Admittedly I do not know much about Jackie Scott except that she does seem to have strings attached to Ulman and the HCEA endorsement is almost enough to make me not vote for her but time will tell.
This leaves me with Bob Ballinger and because he will definitely be a logical, independent voice on the BOE he will certainly have my vote in November.
LisaBMrsS
11:51 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
Bob Ballinger will not be an independent voice on the BOE. He will be a Republican voice. So while he may be independent of Howard County's Democratic Party, he absolutely has loyalties to another group. If the strings attached to candidates matter to you, be clear about which candidates have which strings. Your comfort with a candidate's strings doesn't make them independent. The candidate's actions make them independent.
LisaBMrsS
12:12 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
Loyalty to a group isn't necessarily a liability or problem, either. The idea of an "independent" candidate or elected official is really dependent on the context. Independent of whom or what? Bob Ballinger has a distinct vision for Howard County schools. That vision is, in part, shaped by his Republican philosophy and work in the Republican Party. I am not quibbling with Bob, but I am quibbling with the label of "independent".
Corey Andrews
12:16 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
LisaBMrsS,
A "Republican voice"? Is he not allowed to participate in the political process with a political party and still be independent? Do you consider Janet Siddiqui, Frank Aquino, or Sandra French independent? Those three all have participated in the Howard County Democratic Party. Almost everyone in the race had SOME connections to a group (HCEA, Democratic Party, Republican Party, PTA, county government, Ken Ulman, the current Board, community organizations, etc.) that has an interest in the BOE. If you've participated in the political process in Howard County, you will most likely have connections to one of these groups. Of the remaining candidates, Bob would be, by far, the most independent.
bill bissenas
1:48 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
Great points Corey. And to add to that, the implication is that only the Dems can truly care about education, while conservatives, Repubs and their supporters can't possibly have the best interest of our children at heart. A double standard.
JustABill
3:39 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
LisaBMrsS, I am sorry you felt the need to bring party politics into the conversation about a non partisan elected office. However, since you did I feel the need to point out that you missed the part of Mr. Ballinger's resume where he worked at the department of the environment under the O'Malley administration.
By independent I simply meant Mr. Ballinger was not connected to the union or the Ulman administration unlike all of the other candidates. I would hope people vote for candidates because they are concerned parents of children in our school system and the best qualified to hold a position on the BOE. Not blinded by political party affiliation or loyalty to the union.
I have nothing against the union but I do not believe you can be an unbiased member of the BOE if you have even the slightest connection or loyalty to the HCEA, the Ulman adminstration, or even the county council. Mr Ballinger is the only candidate for BOE that fits that bill and is therefore by my assessment an independent voice on the BOE as a representative of ALL concerned parents that simply want what is best for their children and the ALL of students of Howard County Public Schools.
LisaBMrsS
4:47 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
JustABill, thanks for explaining the context and meaning of "independent" as you applied it to Bob Ballinger. I agree with that use of it. I'm sorry I upset you with my introduction of political party names in the discussion. I misunderstood your original meaning. I hope that everyone who votes decides what they want in a Board member, and their does their research into each candidate and chooses accordingly.
LisaBMrsS
12:44 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
Yes, Bob Ballinger is a Republican voice. He is also a parental voice. He is also a taxpayer voice. Each candidates bring multiple facets to the conversation. Each Board member brings multiple perspectives to the table. I was not using "Republican" as a slur. Bob was the Director of Opposition Research for the Ehrlich campaign. He is a staffer for a Congressional Republican. I am quite certain that his personal political beliefs are Republican, not Democratic and not Independent.
Let me answer your second question with a question. Do you consider Sen. Allan Kittleman to be a Republican, or an Independent? He doesn't always agree with the majority of his party. Did he stop being Republican when he supported marriage equality? No.
So, I quibbled with labeling Bob Ballinger as independent because I interpreted that comment as meaning independent from the county's political majority. I'm interpreting your application of the label to Bob in the same way. If "independent" means not involved in local party politics, then no, Bob Ballinger, Sandra Frank, Janet Siddiqui, Frank Aquino, Brian Meshkin, Ellen Flynn Giles, and possibly Jackie Scott are not independent. But that should show you that the way we use the term "independent" is important. Involvement in local party politics should be neither a qualifier nor a disqualifier for election to the Board of Ed. Intelligence, empathy, and experience cooperating with different people to solve big problems should be the qualifiers.
bill bissenas
2:01 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
I think the commenter's main point with regard to Ballinger's independence is that he will be independent of the HCEA and it's associated supporters and power structure. It may be that he is affiliated with the Repub. Party, but that matters less than the fact that he is not involved with the union mess that's been foisted upon us with the BOE elections.
JustABill
3:53 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
No LisaB you simply felt the need to point out his political party affiliation as if it was a crime to be both a concerned parent of students in Howard County and also a Republican and have the gall to run for a non partisan elected office. If it was not that big of a deal to you then why bother to not only restate the obvious but to list some of Mr. Ballinger's past jobs. As I said in my post above, he also worked under the O'Malley administration. To me that demonstrates Mr. Ballinger's ability to work across party lines for what he believes in and not just toe the line as most Democrats do in the county and throughout the state.
Fred
4:48 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
Ann or Paul (or someone in the know):
Could you describe the critical elements of a Peer Assistance & Review system for me as I am not familiar with this but would like to learn - or provide me a reference so I can learn about it (and not a link to a Fox News videotape)? Thanks.
Jack
1:53 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
From Parents_Coalition of Montgomery county
Look here:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/development/resources/projover/docs/PARteacher.pdf
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/development/documents/sspgs/1869_06Growthbooklet.pdf
Lyda
Brian Meshkin
10:25 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
To all, I really appreciated reading the comments. Interesting debate.
Fred, here are a few links explaining the PAR program in MCPS. http://www.gse.harvard.edu/~ngt/par/practice/montgomery.html http://www.educationworld.com/a_admin/admin/admin224.shtml And then obviously, you can read about on the www.montgomerycountyschoolsmd.org web site.
By the way, I too support greater evaluations of educators, administrators, and staff. I would like to see a program like PAR in the HCPSS. However, I also believe that everyone in the school system needs performance evaluations - including the Board of Education. I recently proposed to my colleagues that the School Board complete an annual evaluation of the Board itself, and I recommended that every member complete individually one as well. I will asking for this in the update to Policy 2000 on School Board Governance. Everyone should be held accountable and seek ways to improve in their performance. I can't speak for my colleagues, but I am far from perfect and I look forward to every day when I learn new things.